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Workplace Mental Health - all you need to know (for now)
00:02
[Music]
00:12
what's it like to work where you work
00:15
school somewhere else busy right
00:18
everybody being asked to do more with
00:22
less hands up who gets their work email
00:27
on a device at home hands up who sleeps
00:32
in the same room as their that device
00:35
hands up who who works evenings and
00:37
weekends
00:39
just to do more work the next day hands
00:43
up who who sometimes wakes up in the
00:46
night thinks about work can't switch off
00:50
speaks to the phone before their family
00:53
in the morning ah yeah early signs of
00:58
stress okay sorry to tell you hands up
01:02
who is so busy they they have their
01:03
breakfast on the toilet no good
01:09
just my brother-in-law then that's
01:11
reassuring but but most of the things
01:15
that I talked about are communists the
01:17
new norm before we leave the house in
01:19
the morning our rucksack is is half full
01:22
it's no surprise then that that the
01:26
third to half of us will experience some
01:29
kind of stress anxiety and depression
01:31
during our working lives those those
01:35
conditions are common and they are
01:37
responsible for 30% more absence than
01:42
anything else including musculoskeletal
01:44
and physical industry in injury 30% more
01:53
and yet we we struggle in which we
01:57
struggle on CI review workplaces and how
02:00
they support people or not on mental
02:02
health and I've interviewed more than
02:05
170 people and looked at the information
02:07
from 15,000 survey respondents and a
02:12
mental health is complex but this much I
02:16
know people who have poor mental health
02:20
they want to be at work on the whole and
02:23
they struggle in to do that when they're
02:26
at work they they have difficulty
02:28
concentrating communicating juggling
02:31
tasks and they get cranky sometimes with
02:33
the customers and colleagues but they
02:37
can't speak up to their manager the
02:40
manager doesn't know how to have a
02:41
conversation the employee doesn't know
02:44
if the manager is going to support them
02:46
or stigmatize them or say well we're all
02:48
stress mate or manage them out of the
02:51
organization so our employee who wants
02:57
to be at work doesn't know the support
02:58
choices can't have a conversation about
03:00
it they feel significant stigma
03:02
sometimes from the organization
03:04
sometimes from themselves and it just
03:06
rumbles on right they they don't take
03:08
the time off that they need or if they
03:09
do they give a different reason for
03:12
their absence and here's one of the
03:15
reasons was because we just don't talk
03:17
enough about mental health in our
03:19
workplaces until
03:21
past breaking point how do we get to
03:24
this well I thought we were all supposed
03:27
to be resilient these days in the
03:31
workplace we are supposed to have
03:32
brazilians how do you get resilience
03:34
well you ought to have a good work-life
03:37
balance that's the first thing okay life
03:40
life life the field of flowers that I
03:44
skip through to and from work right if
03:49
your life's like anything like my life
03:51
it contains things like separation and
03:53
grief and dental bills and add peas that
03:57
get stuck up your child's nostril and
03:59
exhaust that fall off your car the day
04:02
after the MOT but we we soldier on my
04:06
rucksack now three-quarters full we were
04:08
taught to and we go into work and when
04:12
we shouldn't really be there
04:13
presenteeism
04:14
it's called and presenteeism costs the
04:16
workplace 1.8 times that of absenteeism
04:22
being away but we don't even get that
04:26
bit right because we go in and we say to
04:27
our manager I think it might be
04:28
struggling it might be stress anxiety
04:30
depression they get then always good I
04:31
think
04:32
well you must go and see your doctor and
04:34
so we go off to the doctor and we say hi
04:37
I'm really struggling I'm losing sleep I
04:39
can't talk to my manager I'm having my
04:41
breakfast on the toilet and the doctor
04:45
says well if we're in this country
04:46
you're going mmm that's interesting I'm
04:48
gonna sign you off for two weeks it's
04:51
the first NHS response okay it's
04:54
well-meaning and I get that and
04:55
sometimes time time off from from work
04:58
is a really good thing and seeing our
05:00
doctor is a good thing but it's not the
05:02
first place for that conversation
05:04
it took an employment lawyer in King's
05:07
Lynn in Norfolk 28 seconds to be signed
05:12
off from work having entered the
05:15
consultation room it's not the first
05:18
place for that so you leave the surgery
05:21
with a with a label a diagnosis and
05:24
you're staring down a packet of pills
05:28
and daytime television and it's it's
05:32
really scary I've been there
05:34
and and if we just so quick to disengage
05:39
people we need to be having these
05:40
conversations in the workplace rather
05:43
than disengaging and let me tell you
05:44
about disengaging and I know illustrate
05:46
the business case for this so I I
05:50
interviewed somebody called Nick was a
05:53
senior manager global firm constantly
05:58
exceeding expectations at appraisal
06:00
because there are appraisals remember to
06:02
get more money we have to do more work
06:03
than we should be doing different point
06:06
but anyway so Nick Nick's mom died then
06:10
he had his two or three days
06:11
compassionate leave and he came back to
06:14
the organization and he tried to
06:16
organize himself some flexi time work
06:20
more during the week have a bit of more
06:21
time off from fridays and his manager
06:25
said no on the basis that and I quote
06:28
everyone will want it Nick's a good
06:34
lovely guy a really lovely guy and
06:36
really did it him but of course you know
06:38
he was unable to talk to his manager
06:39
they fell out he went to the doctor he
06:41
got lots more time off but this was
06:43
sickness and he disengaged and he never
06:45
really came back to the organization
06:46
properly unions go involved cost a lot
06:49
of money and was entirely avoidable
06:55
Sally's story
06:57
Sally is or sell his dad died as she was
07:03
working for international charity again
07:04
you get successful manager and her
07:07
manager said Sally I don't think you're
07:11
right I think you need some more time
07:13
off I think you you know we can do some
07:16
work from home and a phased return and
07:18
you might be surprised here that Sally
07:20
still works for that organization it's
07:22
still a high flier
07:25
okay and she's an advocate of the
07:27
employer so had they had the global firm
07:30
that Nick worked for acted like the
07:33
charity it would have saved itself many
07:36
thousands of pounds okay so what should
07:41
we do
07:42
leaders
07:44
had teachers project managers whoever
07:46
wherever you lead you need to talk about
07:49
mental health in the workplace when you
07:51
speak other people listen okay the the
07:55
conversation the positive language it
07:58
cascades down an organization you don't
08:00
make more people unwell by speaking
08:03
about mental health you give them the
08:05
opportunity to seek help sooner remember
08:07
Nick remember Sally leaders who talk
08:13
about mental health universally gain
08:15
respect same with managers managers you
08:19
need to talk about mental health in the
08:21
workplace and you need to train managers
08:22
train and train them to spot the signs
08:24
and the symptoms know what to say know
08:28
when to say it know where to shut up
08:30
know when to listen know how to have a
08:33
human conversation if you're a manager
08:35
use this rule of thumb be the manager
08:38
you'd like to have if you were
08:39
experiencing stress anxiety depression
08:43
HR an occupational health I can I can
08:45
pretty much guarantee that your schools
08:49
and and your workplaces policies on
08:51
stress anxiety depression or absence and
08:55
and those sorts of things are probably
08:57
too long full of jargon self-serving
09:00
same with the the the absence procedure
09:02
right they when somebody calls in sick
09:05
on that first day as a golden
09:08
conversation for a dialogue on mental
09:10
health who's listening who's writing
09:13
this down
09:14
where is it going who's offering support
09:16
and this is the same thing for your
09:18
people right you've got it you've got it
09:19
offer support to your people
09:20
therapy is fantastic stuff but through
09:23
the NHS it's gonna take you eight weeks
09:25
three months six lessons of therapy
09:30
three hundred pounds
09:32
what's that compared to a great bit of
09:34
time off in it and that disengaging it's
09:37
off your therapy the other thing we do
09:38
with people when they join in a
09:39
workplace is we teach them how to lift a
09:41
box which is great and thank you for
09:42
that
09:44
but why don't we talk to them about how
09:46
to have a conversation with a colleague
09:47
okay call it when they're struggling
09:49
okay so if you were out there and you
09:52
see somebody struggling then say
09:54
something say how are you my cup of tea
09:59
if you think you're struggling that you
10:02
should say something this is not just a
10:06
a a once and done conversation it's all
10:08
just a poster on the back of the toilet
10:09
door it's a camp it's a cultural shift
10:12
and it takes time okay but the wonderful
10:16
thing is that everybody can do this okay
10:20
what you need is a tray of sandwiches
10:21
and a packet of post-it notes and a
10:23
bunch of people who've been off while
10:25
they've been working for you okay
10:26
they'll give you all the information
10:26
that you need okay you could you could
10:30
partner with a charity like mindful
10:32
employer if you like you could hire a
10:35
consultant if you must but you really
10:39
ought to be listening making adjustments
10:41
changes and writing this down the Health
10:44
and Safety Executive expect you to be
10:47
doing this already by the way right in
10:50
the future would be we'll be talking
10:52
about some of the things that have been
10:53
mentioned today mindfulness meditation
10:56
in meetings virtual reality glasses to
11:00
Train managers reporting on on workplace
11:05
illness as well as injury little robots
11:08
that pop up on your screen to ask you
11:10
how you are psychotherapy through our
11:12
mobile phone
11:13
those things are being trialed right now
11:15
they're just around the corner but
11:17
here's the thing
11:18
you're people don't need to throw loads
11:20
of money of this what they want from you
11:22
is your commitment that they can speak
11:25
safely about mental health I said you
11:32
all you all have the resources to do
11:33
this look around you this is what mental
11:35
health is it's not just the one in 103
11:37
we all have mental health all the time
11:39
the hands up who'd like their employer
11:42
to do more on mental health right as an
11:49
employer all you need to do is give your
11:52
people permission to speak safely and be
11:56
prepared to listen thank you
11:59
[Applause]
12:06
[Music]
12:12
you
[Music]
00:12
what's it like to work where you work
00:15
school somewhere else busy right
00:18
everybody being asked to do more with
00:22
less hands up who gets their work email
00:27
on a device at home hands up who sleeps
00:32
in the same room as their that device
00:35
hands up who who works evenings and
00:37
weekends
00:39
just to do more work the next day hands
00:43
up who who sometimes wakes up in the
00:46
night thinks about work can't switch off
00:50
speaks to the phone before their family
00:53
in the morning ah yeah early signs of
00:58
stress okay sorry to tell you hands up
01:02
who is so busy they they have their
01:03
breakfast on the toilet no good
01:09
just my brother-in-law then that's
01:11
reassuring but but most of the things
01:15
that I talked about are communists the
01:17
new norm before we leave the house in
01:19
the morning our rucksack is is half full
01:22
it's no surprise then that that the
01:26
third to half of us will experience some
01:29
kind of stress anxiety and depression
01:31
during our working lives those those
01:35
conditions are common and they are
01:37
responsible for 30% more absence than
01:42
anything else including musculoskeletal
01:44
and physical industry in injury 30% more
01:53
and yet we we struggle in which we
01:57
struggle on CI review workplaces and how
02:00
they support people or not on mental
02:02
health and I've interviewed more than
02:05
170 people and looked at the information
02:07
from 15,000 survey respondents and a
02:12
mental health is complex but this much I
02:16
know people who have poor mental health
02:20
they want to be at work on the whole and
02:23
they struggle in to do that when they're
02:26
at work they they have difficulty
02:28
concentrating communicating juggling
02:31
tasks and they get cranky sometimes with
02:33
the customers and colleagues but they
02:37
can't speak up to their manager the
02:40
manager doesn't know how to have a
02:41
conversation the employee doesn't know
02:44
if the manager is going to support them
02:46
or stigmatize them or say well we're all
02:48
stress mate or manage them out of the
02:51
organization so our employee who wants
02:57
to be at work doesn't know the support
02:58
choices can't have a conversation about
03:00
it they feel significant stigma
03:02
sometimes from the organization
03:04
sometimes from themselves and it just
03:06
rumbles on right they they don't take
03:08
the time off that they need or if they
03:09
do they give a different reason for
03:12
their absence and here's one of the
03:15
reasons was because we just don't talk
03:17
enough about mental health in our
03:19
workplaces until
03:21
past breaking point how do we get to
03:24
this well I thought we were all supposed
03:27
to be resilient these days in the
03:31
workplace we are supposed to have
03:32
brazilians how do you get resilience
03:34
well you ought to have a good work-life
03:37
balance that's the first thing okay life
03:40
life life the field of flowers that I
03:44
skip through to and from work right if
03:49
your life's like anything like my life
03:51
it contains things like separation and
03:53
grief and dental bills and add peas that
03:57
get stuck up your child's nostril and
03:59
exhaust that fall off your car the day
04:02
after the MOT but we we soldier on my
04:06
rucksack now three-quarters full we were
04:08
taught to and we go into work and when
04:12
we shouldn't really be there
04:13
presenteeism
04:14
it's called and presenteeism costs the
04:16
workplace 1.8 times that of absenteeism
04:22
being away but we don't even get that
04:26
bit right because we go in and we say to
04:27
our manager I think it might be
04:28
struggling it might be stress anxiety
04:30
depression they get then always good I
04:31
think
04:32
well you must go and see your doctor and
04:34
so we go off to the doctor and we say hi
04:37
I'm really struggling I'm losing sleep I
04:39
can't talk to my manager I'm having my
04:41
breakfast on the toilet and the doctor
04:45
says well if we're in this country
04:46
you're going mmm that's interesting I'm
04:48
gonna sign you off for two weeks it's
04:51
the first NHS response okay it's
04:54
well-meaning and I get that and
04:55
sometimes time time off from from work
04:58
is a really good thing and seeing our
05:00
doctor is a good thing but it's not the
05:02
first place for that conversation
05:04
it took an employment lawyer in King's
05:07
Lynn in Norfolk 28 seconds to be signed
05:12
off from work having entered the
05:15
consultation room it's not the first
05:18
place for that so you leave the surgery
05:21
with a with a label a diagnosis and
05:24
you're staring down a packet of pills
05:28
and daytime television and it's it's
05:32
really scary I've been there
05:34
and and if we just so quick to disengage
05:39
people we need to be having these
05:40
conversations in the workplace rather
05:43
than disengaging and let me tell you
05:44
about disengaging and I know illustrate
05:46
the business case for this so I I
05:50
interviewed somebody called Nick was a
05:53
senior manager global firm constantly
05:58
exceeding expectations at appraisal
06:00
because there are appraisals remember to
06:02
get more money we have to do more work
06:03
than we should be doing different point
06:06
but anyway so Nick Nick's mom died then
06:10
he had his two or three days
06:11
compassionate leave and he came back to
06:14
the organization and he tried to
06:16
organize himself some flexi time work
06:20
more during the week have a bit of more
06:21
time off from fridays and his manager
06:25
said no on the basis that and I quote
06:28
everyone will want it Nick's a good
06:34
lovely guy a really lovely guy and
06:36
really did it him but of course you know
06:38
he was unable to talk to his manager
06:39
they fell out he went to the doctor he
06:41
got lots more time off but this was
06:43
sickness and he disengaged and he never
06:45
really came back to the organization
06:46
properly unions go involved cost a lot
06:49
of money and was entirely avoidable
06:55
Sally's story
06:57
Sally is or sell his dad died as she was
07:03
working for international charity again
07:04
you get successful manager and her
07:07
manager said Sally I don't think you're
07:11
right I think you need some more time
07:13
off I think you you know we can do some
07:16
work from home and a phased return and
07:18
you might be surprised here that Sally
07:20
still works for that organization it's
07:22
still a high flier
07:25
okay and she's an advocate of the
07:27
employer so had they had the global firm
07:30
that Nick worked for acted like the
07:33
charity it would have saved itself many
07:36
thousands of pounds okay so what should
07:41
we do
07:42
leaders
07:44
had teachers project managers whoever
07:46
wherever you lead you need to talk about
07:49
mental health in the workplace when you
07:51
speak other people listen okay the the
07:55
conversation the positive language it
07:58
cascades down an organization you don't
08:00
make more people unwell by speaking
08:03
about mental health you give them the
08:05
opportunity to seek help sooner remember
08:07
Nick remember Sally leaders who talk
08:13
about mental health universally gain
08:15
respect same with managers managers you
08:19
need to talk about mental health in the
08:21
workplace and you need to train managers
08:22
train and train them to spot the signs
08:24
and the symptoms know what to say know
08:28
when to say it know where to shut up
08:30
know when to listen know how to have a
08:33
human conversation if you're a manager
08:35
use this rule of thumb be the manager
08:38
you'd like to have if you were
08:39
experiencing stress anxiety depression
08:43
HR an occupational health I can I can
08:45
pretty much guarantee that your schools
08:49
and and your workplaces policies on
08:51
stress anxiety depression or absence and
08:55
and those sorts of things are probably
08:57
too long full of jargon self-serving
09:00
same with the the the absence procedure
09:02
right they when somebody calls in sick
09:05
on that first day as a golden
09:08
conversation for a dialogue on mental
09:10
health who's listening who's writing
09:13
this down
09:14
where is it going who's offering support
09:16
and this is the same thing for your
09:18
people right you've got it you've got it
09:19
offer support to your people
09:20
therapy is fantastic stuff but through
09:23
the NHS it's gonna take you eight weeks
09:25
three months six lessons of therapy
09:30
three hundred pounds
09:32
what's that compared to a great bit of
09:34
time off in it and that disengaging it's
09:37
off your therapy the other thing we do
09:38
with people when they join in a
09:39
workplace is we teach them how to lift a
09:41
box which is great and thank you for
09:42
that
09:44
but why don't we talk to them about how
09:46
to have a conversation with a colleague
09:47
okay call it when they're struggling
09:49
okay so if you were out there and you
09:52
see somebody struggling then say
09:54
something say how are you my cup of tea
09:59
if you think you're struggling that you
10:02
should say something this is not just a
10:06
a a once and done conversation it's all
10:08
just a poster on the back of the toilet
10:09
door it's a camp it's a cultural shift
10:12
and it takes time okay but the wonderful
10:16
thing is that everybody can do this okay
10:20
what you need is a tray of sandwiches
10:21
and a packet of post-it notes and a
10:23
bunch of people who've been off while
10:25
they've been working for you okay
10:26
they'll give you all the information
10:26
that you need okay you could you could
10:30
partner with a charity like mindful
10:32
employer if you like you could hire a
10:35
consultant if you must but you really
10:39
ought to be listening making adjustments
10:41
changes and writing this down the Health
10:44
and Safety Executive expect you to be
10:47
doing this already by the way right in
10:50
the future would be we'll be talking
10:52
about some of the things that have been
10:53
mentioned today mindfulness meditation
10:56
in meetings virtual reality glasses to
11:00
Train managers reporting on on workplace
11:05
illness as well as injury little robots
11:08
that pop up on your screen to ask you
11:10
how you are psychotherapy through our
11:12
mobile phone
11:13
those things are being trialed right now
11:15
they're just around the corner but
11:17
here's the thing
11:18
you're people don't need to throw loads
11:20
of money of this what they want from you
11:22
is your commitment that they can speak
11:25
safely about mental health I said you
11:32
all you all have the resources to do
11:33
this look around you this is what mental
11:35
health is it's not just the one in 103
11:37
we all have mental health all the time
11:39
the hands up who'd like their employer
11:42
to do more on mental health right as an
11:49
employer all you need to do is give your
11:52
people permission to speak safely and be
11:56
prepared to listen thank you
11:59
[Applause]
12:06
[Music]
12:12
you