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Defence Health HubEngari Ka Mau Tonu te Wairua - Exploring Wairua
Dr Hinemoa Elder, best-selling author and psychiatrist, and panel of NZDF members discuss the importance of wairua for wellbeing, and what wairua means to them.
Engari Ka Mau Tonu te Wairua - Exploring Wairua
Engari Ka Mau Tonu te Wairua - Exploring Wairua
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uh uh hello everyone uh Welcome to our webinar today uh before we begin I'll
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open us up with
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our little things poing up uh so from here we'll uh carry on
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with our intros uh so and and welcome welcome
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everyone Welcome to our our webinar today we discuss what does w mean to you
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uh for our intros I'll start and then we'll go around our our room uh Co
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[Music] everyone from the far
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north and from the mighty king country uh from T and
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uh uh my Mah I work as a Chaplain in the New Zealand Army
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and uh I'm
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Johny BR pen uh yeah it's my name
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so I I I work as one of the GU the PO M for chiefer Defense Force and especially
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my portfolio sits mainly within the t space so providing you
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know and a lot of different sort of capacities when it comes to T
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moldy yeah so delighted to be here and and and to add value
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um yeah kill everyone I'm I'm Cruz P um as mentioned earlier I'm BR son uh
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so originate from the far north uh through through his his side and then my mom's from the East Coast py from a
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small place called to just in between um so yeah
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um I post it down in three workshops in vernham and I'm a electrical fit by
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trade um yeah
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that's oh
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uh so I'm Hino I also hail from the north uh I'm a I'm a muray Yates Bergen
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Bowman and I'm a Child and Adolescent psychiatrist I work in a range of
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settings at Starship hospital where we have a Adolescent and patient unit for
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some of the most seriously mentally unwell young people in the upper part of tear Maui and we have a mother baby unit
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there too I work in youth forensics writing Court reports uh and I've just
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in the last couple of months started a primary mental health clinic atua in Kay
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so uh working alongside our GPS up at home which is which is just wonderful to
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be useful uh right in the thick of it in now in our K and it's an absolute privilege and
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honor to be here today uh for this very special
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one thank you everyone for uh your
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introductions yeah uh so from here let's uh get into
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our topic uh and we'll ask again H if she can introduce our topic for us
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today so uh when I was thinking about and when I think about this Copa of wua
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it can feel quite ephemeral it can feel uh difficult to to get a grip on to
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start to describe and so for me like like many of us I go back to the stories
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of our of our old people of our forbears and and one very famous saying is is uh
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help to me and I I hope is helpful to our discussion and that comes from one of our very famous Chiefs from Moody
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Fina uh from tatawa and his name is pora
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and he made a really useful and important statement he was in a battle
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and uh his wife fataa was protecting uh her her cousin taka's body takaka was
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another very famous warrior from up home and when pora saw his wife's bravery and
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courage and protecting her cousin's body he immediately stopped the
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fighting and he said
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this so what he's saying there is the tide can come up kti that's when the
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tide comes in big tide uh the tide can go out and the the
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line um he made the Line in the Sand can be
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washed away by the tide but the W of his intention of the deep significance of
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his drawing that Line in the Sand to say okay enough is enough this side is going
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to be topot and that side's going to be T we're going to stop fighting that
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intention uh his wua persists until until now and will
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persist into the future so for me I think that's a very practical
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embodiment of how we might start to think about all the ways that we
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experience [Music]
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W well they put some context to it eh
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and I thought also fitting because you know this is about um our service people
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who are very much preparing for a range of activities which do include uh the
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idea of some sort of conflict and and managing conflict so I thought that was a also a useful context for our
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discussion
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today well why I guess when we hear that we think of this topic around
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and this how does that resonate and how does
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that sit with us uh what are the things that we think about uh and maybe some of
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our own Journeys uh our own lived
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experiences that we've had these kind of impactful profound moments of what wua
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is certainly our had this profound moment uh
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with with and drew a line but regardless of
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where that line was the intention that sacred intention
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of still remained yeah
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anyone uh and thank you for sharing that pako I think that one of the special
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things that we have as T maldi is that we're able to leverage into a lot of those uh with pako the faki all the
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likes you know that invokes WIA so I guess when I I I look at the word w i i
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sort of break that word down the why the way so I guess for me when we look at a
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w in its uh natural sense means you know spiritual real ity when an actual fact
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when we break it down and this like this is with anything to Mali what does it mean to the individual how do we unpack
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that as an individual so when I look at w you know that's all about space and
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time um you know the transition of it it's in you know why in you know the
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same as why why water and I heard that sort of U you know enacted in your
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cordor as well the value of water and the effect of water when it comes to uh
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our Wier knowing that you know water makes up a big percentage of who we are
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how that works within a frequency space you know when uh things aren't so good but when things are you know going well
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it impacts uh you know not only the water but the H and and the in the T as well
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when I look at the KOA you know for me it it means uh there's a balance there's a form of
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balance there and I sort of brought up earlier so my balance is is my Papa you know and I look at those things
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of M and Dad arangi and papa so I I you know that's how I sort of and it's with
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a lot of our ouru is you know I guess the deeper meaning is is when you
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actually break it down but what does it actually mean to you as an individual and I guess for each and every one of us
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you know or all have different which is the beautiful thing about the way piece
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um I know way I've spent you know 33 years now within the
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organization uh examples of of what I've seen with wer and you know returning up to work
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and just taking that first glance you know at at at the human the human makeup
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and we all know this through our leadership you know something's not right and that's or the effec of
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way um I've seen it on operations as well um and it's I guess it's not just
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conducive to the human nature but it's also to the environment as well um you
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know and I guess that's just a normal sort of uh M sort of t m view that we
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have with a lot of that stuff anyway so I I guess that's sort of my initial sort of sort of cord about W who um
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yeah I come in with a bit more of a share the cordal uh and you know and it's good to
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have our younger generation here as well to to share in the c um
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yeah I'll hand it over to
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yeah um yeah I guess for me is um yeah you
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know during my you know time serving in the military I joined in 2018
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um you know when I initially came in I you know I went through my fair uh
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challenges um you know initially
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so I guess I went through a whole um journey of you know why do I
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know how it was somewhat impacted um because like for me why do I
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speaks you know it's not their spiritual as um but more more or less is um feel
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wi has that um that uh that connection value if
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that's fair to say to our tea and our environment so you know when I came in I
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I that was missing for me and I really found it hard to find
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that connection um which in turn you know my wa toer um you know to be a part
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of my unit at the time um so those were the kind of yeah
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difficulties I I was faced with um mainly around that connection piece so
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um there's so many stories um but I'd rather just sum it up by saying that
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more less in highlighting you know the connection um so it goes on and on I
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thought I'd just touch on you know the connections to our t on so on you know
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to to the you know the others as we speak in out so yeah yeah I think that's all I
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want to say for now perhaps you know we could elaborate on
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that good if I could add to that um briefly uh because that really speaks to
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some um Monga that was shared with me by one of the amazing coar from tidar mster
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RE and he was part of um a group supporting me when I was doing some um laho in my
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doctorate about traumatic brain injury actually and we went around different U
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marai and listened to the fukar on the marai and um one of the things that um M
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amster said was that that this is about connectivity
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like like what you're just saying Cruz that actually we we do think of Wu as
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our spiritual aspect a spiritual aspect of our identities and and and Papa amster said
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yes he agreed with that and somehow that can because the the word spiritual is in English has certain
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resonances that might make it seem packaged up in the sense of pakia
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culture that actually he was saying look we need to think of why do it is this
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connectivity between us as tangata Fina
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T Mai and everything in the universe and so the wua gives us this uh
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conduit this uh sense of energy flow that connects us to everything else and
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that's that's quite a a massive idea I think I mean I love that idea because
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when I talk with farno about how they're being affected by whether it's a brain injury to the to the kickle kickle of
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the brain or whether it's a psycholog iCal injury of trauma then it's it's actually an idea
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that a lot of Faro found really useful because that helps them
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conceptualize the the profound level of um difficulty that they're going through
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because that sense of connectivity has been frayed or has been fractured or D
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damaged in some way and so then we can say well if there's something affecting
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the way we can and bring our cultural resources forward to uh to help to heal
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that so if there's a cultural injury in the W realm we need to bring cultural
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resources to assist with that so I thought that just fitted in maybe um alongside what you were saying Cruz Nam
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yeah K yeah I'm gonna add to that also
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uh I guess for me as a as a Christian Minister uh as a young person growing up
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I was raised by my grandparents uh they from the
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north uh but they were a part of the urban drift and they uh went to Kura where the
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assimilation of English uh was uh forced upon them and they were
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indoctrinated to believe that Tah
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they migrated through the urban drift into uh the
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suburbs and so when I was raised speaking to the Marty learning my
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Marty Heritage it it it wasn't insal to me
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uh but as a teenage kid I was 15 years old I found my myself in this this
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church and uh I was introduced to things spiritual while I was there and so then
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as I came through the ministry I learned these things about
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how I am made up of spirit soul and body
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and for me to connect with things in the spiritual realm uh I had to come to the
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these this understanding and these experiences but then when I joined the New Zealand Army uh 2011 this is where I
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was introduced to my M Heritage to my culture and this is where
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I was introduced to W to Modi and learning about and feeling this
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connection with not just these spiritual things through uh
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Christian lens but also this connection with my Tupa this connection with my fua uh
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going back up home having this connection with and so uh this is where I
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discovered my mar and when we talk
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about the aspects of w and and
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culture spiritual things and identity things yeah uh that's certainly what what what
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resonates with me in that space in the cordor that we're hearing about way to
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and certainly Brent gave a wonderful explanation of uh the the the PO
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W yeah yeah I I think you're absolutely right we I guess when we look at our
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Generations we we share the same thing in terms of what our parents what our
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Kon Mama endured during their time and as a protective measure they were always
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told you know why you know it's a different world outside and then perhaps you know as we
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came through our journey and I I must admit that you know uh provided that platform to allow
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me to um to to find you
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know within that space and then the opportunities that existed
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overtime with the with the different roles and sort of the upkeep of
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everything to Mali was really bestowed to me at that time the W from those that
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returned from Singapore and they had a real strong culture um and it really manifested and
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we saw that straight away when we came in as part of the indoctrination into at that time one battalion the first Royal
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New Zealand Infantry Regiment um and so you know that that motive was strong the waterer was just a
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you know just all a part and parcel of everything to M and so um that you know as a second
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language learner over time you know my mom my grandmother they would see and and I'd
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hear their M you know oh you know we did an injustice to you and watching you
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sort of grow and and and build that capacity again and this was a lonely Journey for you and that respect and I
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know every journey is different for each and every one of us but I knew there had to be a time where you know I I I had to
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do that for myself not only myself but knowing that you know the future success of you
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know Generations that come through I'm just so proud you know
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that you just take that first step and just to see how it sort of manifest into
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our subsequent U Generations you know my children you know and I'm I'm very lucky
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now I've got a m and so I guess those things that were sort of as as jonno
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sort of uh uh explained those things that weren't good for our people back at
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a specific period in time when we look at it now and then you could argue oh well yeah called to action E I think as
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an individual response um we can see that happening now we we've taken something there
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uh and we brought it into the nail piece and we wanted you it's Papa you
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know as Cruz brought up we wanted their Papa to be enduring you know and
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and with that Papa we're the personification of all our at Mii and I say you know when I was on the Rugby
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field I am to M when I'm trying to do an rfl I do call on T Mar but he doesn't
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really help me that much um you know when I go diving you know I am tangara
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you know we are the personification of our in it through POA
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and yeah so yeah I I and I do thank the
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organization for again sort of allowing me and then I guess the bigger piece was
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we all make a choice in terms of where we want to go I guess that was the wer that was just so strong in me knowing
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that we had a beautiful culture and I wanted to know more about it and you know and the journeys never ending and
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I'm always learning as I go um even from our young people learning so much from
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our young people as well yeah and I guess we we've talked
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about you know kind of our journeys of Discovery and to wait on so
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you you just spoke about uh you knew your your we to was strong
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how do you continue and how do we continue to strengthen our we to
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what are some of the things that we do uh as
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Marty if I could perhaps sort of jump in again one of the best um platforms we
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have and you hear it every time when our young people turn up to coopa is Capa
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Haka Kaa Haka you know the reason they turn up oh I want to feel my way to a
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when to fill my cup and you'll hear that from every individual they just want to
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get back and then and then you just you just have to look at at at what kapahaka sort of
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provides you know whether it's a mattini stage or whether it's a naho stage whether we're doing it domestically here
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whether we're doing it on operations overseas that's the personification and
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you you you'll see it with everyone where they Heir oh man I had this fairy feeling I say quite a way to you know
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for those that haven't experienced it before and um yeah Kaka as as we know
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that have been in in that realm you know the ability to change through each item
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you know and the motive state that comes with it as well you know you got a
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you're coming out you know whether it's you're coming out in battle mode that then transcends
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into and and then you know coming in to get back into battle mode again
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inak that's the that's a beautiful thing about um you know that's just one and
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that's probably perhaps uh a more key one that we see sort of um operationalized within our
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organization
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yeah else want to jump in there
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yeah hey
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yeah you you go for it Cruz yeah I'll just touch on what what P
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was saying um around you know C Haka that cultural element in terms of strengthening my way to that's
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definitely what um worked for me was being down here in Burnham so I've been here for 3 years and um I don't know if
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most of you know but um the culture element well you know tell mildy down
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here isn't the strongest so um and I'm just checking this out there and it's you I think it's all good um so for me
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you know naturally I was that guy you know the unofficial culture if that's fair to
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say so for me I was like yeah P this is awesome I I will absolutely do it anything and everything um you know
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growing up you know and then went to hot so tend to um hold on to you know um my
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moldy Tong coming into adult life so yeah once I was here was that stuff when I was
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given the opportunity it was like you know t or P of course you know that fulfilled my way to my C his dad Seas um
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but the there were moments here and there where like what would affect my
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wer what yeah what would affect my wers you know hearing the comments of
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H got to do H practice I don't want to do it I'm going to book an appointment you know and when I'm the sole person
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running it and then you know you hear these um you know C you know you hear these cord going around you're kind of
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like oh wow you know reverting back to what I said I'm
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not getting this connection with my Cru here so um those are some of the things that I've dealt with in the past um and
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and find it interesting because um you know it's like well how do I get around
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this you know what what what can I do or you know what can we do as an organization to um you know breach these
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gaps um that's feir um but yeah that's one piece um besides from that of yeah
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it's been some awesome times like actually recently we had um the C's
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farewell um was given the honor to lead the HCK and farewell him and oh wow like
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that was yeah that was close to like if not in power of you know going on a mtin
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stage as well cuz I don't know that W or that was going around yeah no words they
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just c um so yeah just de you as well
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yeah I think CA you know is definitely so incredibly uplifting on on that whole
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other way to a level it just excites every part of our being doesn't it it
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because it's a portal that holds faka Papa it holds PCO it holds all the
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stories and the magic of all the different disciplines of the Performing
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Arts of w as you said Mata po Haka uh and and so it's it's a for many
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of us it's such a a great way to get a dose of w mildy
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you know to really feel o and and to see how visible it's becoming and how um
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more accessible it's becoming on on social media is just fantastic and and
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there are you know everyone's got their own uh particular entry point if you like so
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for so we we were before the before the thing before the webinar we were talking about diving and you know I always think
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about Kai from home can be another source of uh way to P just a reminder
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because when we eat Kai from home we're reminded maybe of our our uh childhood
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or special moments we had with Al farno where we ate that sort of Kai and whether we're really into K it takes us
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back to to maybe the first time we had Kenna when we were really young or um special special hary where we celebrated
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things as fin so that's that can be another another um entry point and being
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in the tile being doing wama is another one that um I I so enjoy and um that's a
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it's a great way to be connected to other people especially for me um getting out on the wer with other W Mali
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and we can share our own stories and support each other in our own way and then afterwards we always go for Kai and
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have a you know just have a bit of a giggle and a bit of a light-hearted bentor you know life gets so serious you
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need a bit of an outlet our humor is an amazing part of our W door uh our moldy
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humor is so unique and we really get each other you know without with our
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form of bent to that often people from other cultures aren't too sure but often
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this is such a such a heartwarming thing when we we really experience our own
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humor people getting out the guitar um having a sing along uh and and bringing
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to life these other uh entry points through pipa through learning the stories from home and that's why for me
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working with with our people who are experiencing mental illness and distress
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and and who are suffering in that kind of pain we know we see the evidence of you using these forms of you know
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showing people uh cers on on Instagram or playing way from YouTube showing
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stories getting out books um taking people up their own Monga taking people
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to see their hour even get in their hour and experience those sort of things reclaiming our these are all k for the W
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um to to fuel Us in this really complex society that we're trying to navigate
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and hold true to our our um our mold
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identities as you were saying M you know our you know our our mom and grandfather
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they they struggled uh with the rules around not being allowed to speak to Al
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maldi and school and being punished for that so we are we're part of almost s transitional generations and we can see
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the evidence of of fruits of those labors coming through in next Generations and
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certainly um you know we see this in the in the service people in the nzdf now
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and how to as you say Cruz how to strengthen that how to keep it accessible when people might for
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whatever reason feel it's not necessarily a priority uh at different times but to
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make sure that it's always available and always a rich source of nourishment for the w
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I guess one of the other things too that I sort of Drive is you know W isn't you
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know conducive to just mildy so everything I do in within a town mildy
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space we're always seeking what are those similarities across other cultures um and they do exist one of the
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exciting things now that I see is um our marai platforms that are now being recognized
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as a place to deal and help with uh with mental health um and and and that sort
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of you know that it's nothing new for us as T Mal we've known that stuff for for a long
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time um but you know the incremental changes so perhaps from 30 years ago to
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where we are now you know while there're still a A Long Way Forward um we
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starting to see how these sort of um you know our service m i plan integral peace
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in terms of bringing you know that whole water you know back to not just in I
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guess one thing we're recognizing now it's not just for maldi we're getting a lot of other cultures that are coming to the Mari and I you where uh to talk uh
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but uh just want to introduce yourself to the panel and uh share maybe some of
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your journey around what was why means to
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in uh thank you for that and my apologies for for joining just a little
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bit late why do I um I did manage to hear a
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little bits uh as as a guest and
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um but I even did a little bit of research to see if what I was thinking was actually right and and going back to
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to the creation of the first uh Y where was the
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tana and then the put in
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the um where am I
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going the M into uh the tana and then
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out of that came the wi so the the essence so I I'll just leave it there
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and um but for me why why do it
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exist uh for me from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep and
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then even in now mo mo are it it likely has an effect there but
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things like um I'm working in health at the moment
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and and for me it's our people who who ma
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Wei but it's not just their T it's their it's their very much their wi and it's
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not the it's not that the the ailment or the sickness is
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affecting the Wier but they themselves are feeling affected because they can't
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contribute they can't produce they feel uh embarrassed that they that they are
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not back at work and that so I think um some of our our health issues sort of
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Lies when when that wi drops because they're not back with their with their people doing pulling
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the load along with them knowing that they're pulling the load for them um so I'm not too sure if that sort
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of brings into context of what what what uh what everyone has talked about from
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from from what I sense and it's and I did hear a snippet and
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uh uh the brother for for the Coro around all cultures if if we if we for
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me if I think about the W as as the fle that you feel every day then that has to
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Encompass everyone because you're bringing it back into on an individual sort of level removing removing all the
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uh external sort of biases and and that that that can sort of
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stigmatize that this particular group may be better at this group of doing
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this or actually they just they do the same thing but in a slightly different way and and it's how do we get our
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people to connect to that so so K hopefully I didn't go on too
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long yeah um I just want to jump in there around this what strengthens
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white uh the pen obviously uh
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talented uh with f and and and wa and I leave that up
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to uh but for me I was raised to do martial arts and
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uh and as so as an 8-year-old kid um
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doing martial arts and have been doing martial arts for 34 years I I think about those times
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where uh you have to dig deep and the the physical component you
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L on the ground cuz uh someone kicked you into a brick wall uh and that could
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be a metaphor uh that was literal for me uh
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and the hanging utle is struggling because uh this is
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tough and uh so what is it that get you back up and you have to dig deep and uh
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so it was that waiter that got me up and so now as a grandm of martial arts is an
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eth degree Blake Bel uh and also picking up the rco in the last couple of
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years uh yeah
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and the that Raco has also provided for me
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greater identity uh and yeah I like scrapping
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so well hey and I do know I'm a minister but
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uh yeah
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anyway looking after myself my partner and my and and other people we're living
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it that yeah so yeah that that that Roo has certainly opened up a new world for
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me around digging deep what it is to uh
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feel like actually when uh my back is up against the
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wall what is it that gets me to to uh that next
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level how how how do I transition from this kind of uh
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this this natural plane into something that is
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Supernatural and it it's only through that weor that that I've been able to be
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able to do that and uh I wonder if that is uh a segue into you know why is
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waor so important for our health and
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well-being well Haku the W do is the two of everything it's number one and so
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that's why I you know we have all sorts of models of of hura of
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Ora and they're all you know they all have strengths and they all have some challenges and so but for me no matter
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what framework we might like to use or prefer to
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use the the fundamental aspect of Wu as the two our Papa of the foundation of
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everything to do with our health I think that's that's the key and that's certainly something that's come through in in my whole career in various bits of
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research and working with alfano every day uh in various settings and so I'm I'm always
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interested in prevention of mental distress and disharmony and a sense of
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discomfort and pain so I'm interested in how we take what we learn from when people are not doing well and make sure
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we Infuse it so that people's everyday lives when they when we're doing relatively well can be enhanced by a
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sense of what are the things I can do every day to really strengthen my sense of w that's protective so that I'm at
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less risk of developing problems of course the world is becoming more and more complex and challenging but if we
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can really lift ourselves up and whether it's through Capas wakama through
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kakia Kai uh different Kai from the from from home or whether it's being out in
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nature nature whatever brings us that sense of connectivity is is I think a
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really makes why do we so important and also how we talk about and educate
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ourselves about how to tune in to those to those feelings that are hard to
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articulate the funny feeling in your poku when you just know something's wrong and because often in in
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hierarchical systems like nzdf like in medicine like in many any of our Alo
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structures our marai committees wherever we are in life there's a picking order
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and so for some of us who are who are not at you know the the top of the of
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the of the ladder it might feel difficult to say you know something's
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not quite right I can feel it and so I think how we Empower our our whole
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organization from at all levels for people to speak up and say something feels a bit off our W for me and then to
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really pay attention to that because I think when when we don't value that kind of um intelligence and data we are
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risking the W being um affected in a negative way so I suppose for me th
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those are a couple of Reflections about why W DOA is so
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critical if I I can just jump in and add to that because that's obviously that's
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that's awesome qual it's it's also the prioritizing of the need to to lift wide
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and and what I mean by that is because it's not tangible because it can't be seen it can often be considered as
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something that's not of a high priority where if somebody twists an ankle if somebody has a s or something
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it's tangible and you'll commit the time to it and and and now people will see that until they fully
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recover but when when when the your W is
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is down and that how do you explain that to your bosses how do you explain that to your
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friends that I need to prioritize something here I need to step away I need to do this for this reason and it's
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accepted because until we get over that hurdle
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um we we will be challenge with getting them to the space that they need to lift
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that
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Wier I I think that is a sort of an important piece um you know W do I think you know
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any sort of change in Behavior you know is an effect on
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W so I don't really see that as perhaps a um
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difficult thing to sort of comprehend is that everything sort of um you
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know U from from a health perspective anyway and I I to your for with how do
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you measure that with um the physical aspects you know I guess that's why we
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do have the sort of f to of fire to sort of educate people in terms of bringing
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them in line but I I don't think you would find a lot of people that perhaps don't prescribe to understanding what w
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is it's sort of just unpacking from a m context again it comes back into this
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what are the similarities absolutely in terms of how does it affect you know the the Hing ID
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so I I I think you know and this is from my uh I'm I'm not a a medical
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practitioner but um you know sometimes our mildy Solutions are quite simple you
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know simple to enact um you know I think what we're talking is how do we bring everyone else
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and to try and perhaps making them understand you know what our values are
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what do we prescribe to and I think that that is the challenge when we look at a physical nature and then with Mali we
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know there's the metaphysical and everything that we do as well and I know perhaps sometimes that's the hurdle that
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we were always trying to uh to bring people into that world as part of that
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understanding but yeah I think W as well you know um it's everything we do for me
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and know and I like to it's about leadership when we go into any situation
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we know when we go as a leader you know what are we going to expect we walk into
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a room we can feel that way to you know when we uh you know and things will always change accordingly uh to make
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sure we get best effect and we get the right result and we've all been faced
49:32
with um adversity but it it's how you take that adversity and always project it back
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into a positive space that's certainly something that I do you know when you walk into a room and and and this is not
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being sort of he you know when you walk into a room and and you radiate
49:52
when you come into a room and people just feel your M they feel everything about you is
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pure um and I heard before when we're talking about and it was wonderful
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hearing jonno because I know he's the uh the grandmas and he loves martial arts
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but that all ties back with identity we all have different identities you know my identity here as the Ki is different
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to my identity at home as a husband it's different to my identity as as as a a
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Kur is a grandfather to my M and so those are the different drivers where
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you could argue they all you'll get wher shifts based on your identity based on
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your purpose based on your values for each and every one of those identities I think um you know
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leadership uh within the organization um again it's it's an ongoing journey in
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terms of and you know what I can say is a lot of them are perhaps coming to the
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four of understanding you know why do I in a lot of different concepts and you
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know specifically as well you know I spoke before before was a those platforms that we have in terms of our M
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to provide that within a uh I guess a mental health space is now how do we
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sort of and it's already happening but how do we make that uh um you know
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people more aware that hey El eyes are absolutely you know one of the key
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places to go to to help with that our Mar our churches you know and how how do
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we sort of manifest that um in the meaningful way you know so we feel
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authentic about everything we do to our M you know authenticity is is is key for
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me yeah I hando over talking too
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much I heard a little snippet about where you uplift your
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wi um I find that when I when my wi was
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uplifted sometimes it comes as a surprise I end up in a place and where
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where I would think you know how did I how did my way to uplift here what what is what is
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around me that's so I I think sometimes um our our our body will just do it for
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us before we even know it's been it's happening um and so it's it's hard to
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it's hard to sort of uh maybe prescribe a journey for someone it's but just to
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be there for that someone um and and just go on the journey and then the wi you know it may
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may take you to where you need to go I can give you a quick example of that
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so when you were speaking earlier Mata you mentioned um people who came back from Singapore from from nzdf and so
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immediately I thought of my Uncle Rick Bowman and my Auntie rata M who were in
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Singapore in Malaya and who I visited when I was a young girl in the late 1970s and so immediately my wer was
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uplifted in a way that I hadn't expected so yeah the the names or the the
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connections with those that um are no longer with us the F POA that is held
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within nzdf is incredibly powerful in in all the the juicy wua um K that it holds
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uh in unexpected ways so I thank you so much for that cord earlier Mata because
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it really um it lifted my w well within this webinar and as I'm sure there'll be
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unexpected things that people hear saying that will you know the power of that hokim
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mahara um of of thoughts that will just latch on to various words or stories
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that we've told that we hadn't expected would spark the wer for others who are
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listening and watching the webinar I think one of the key areas that we're starting to see now that is
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being normalized is through through our sessions you know
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all that sort of stuff and and you're right when they're going around individually around the room and and and
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and doing their Pepa and doing what they're all about there's always a connection there with it's oh hey I
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don't know you were from my CA you're from my area you're from my my Hau my ewi and you're absolutely right that
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straight away you know uh invokes wer you're like oh you know and and and as I
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say it's not normally do it's at the cup of tea time that you uh you leverage off
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it and no absolutely right and that is one of the key mechanisms that we look
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at now in terms of driving those Norms within the organization in terms of
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making our leadership understand and they do understand now the importance of connecting right at the start before you
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begin your cuper so yeah absolutely
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looking at our time at the moment F uh I wonder if uh if we can look at wrapping
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things up uh and maybe uh we'll have uh H more uh leave us with some final words
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uh before we have our to uh bring closes in Al I've really enjoyed how C it all
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today and uh connecting with everyone again uh yeah and and want to thank uh
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integrated Wellness for uh hosting this webinar and our our
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cordor uh in support of uh lens as we uh promate this message
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out to oh okay
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well first just to say this has definitely lifted my way to strengthened my way to and being part of this forar
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and part of a range of activities that are happening through nzid which is so
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exciting to witness and um no doubt you know there will be there will be more
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there will be more offerings in a similar vein I suppose just to to come
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back to Pora and to think about the line in the say that he drew in the The W do
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aign and to um think about all the the lessons that might be held in that
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particular fakar which help us think about wua it's also about lines that we
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draw our way to our boundaries that we have it's about our UA as as has been
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mentioned by um Mata Brent and also the the stories that we share about the
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the leaders of of Times Gone by many of them were um fighters in different
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ways um whether they were designated Warriors or they were fighting in other
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copopa they were they were people that we're all descended from and so I think we can draw great strength in our own
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wer as representatives of uh our old people alive right now to to draw
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strength from that that wer
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with oh yeah hey look so uh yeah thank you very much you know um man we we
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could sit here for days and so uh I'm I'm quite sad that we're cut for time
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now but uh you we're just getting on a r but
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yeah and you know the ability to meet and discuss and deliberate but um yeah I
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look forward to um you know I guess successive initiatives of this nature nature to occur and um you know I guess
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you look around the organization now there's Mutual support going on um everywhere um yeah and it's just a
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matter of of just bringing one in together say there's visibility and Good Will about everything that's going
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uh uh hello everyone uh Welcome to our webinar today uh before we begin I'll
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open us up with
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our little things poing up uh so from here we'll uh carry on
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with our intros uh so and and welcome welcome
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everyone Welcome to our our webinar today we discuss what does w mean to you
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uh for our intros I'll start and then we'll go around our our room uh Co
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[Music] everyone from the far
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north and from the mighty king country uh from T and
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uh uh my Mah I work as a Chaplain in the New Zealand Army
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and uh I'm
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Johny BR pen uh yeah it's my name
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so I I I work as one of the GU the PO M for chiefer Defense Force and especially
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my portfolio sits mainly within the t space so providing you
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know and a lot of different sort of capacities when it comes to T
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moldy yeah so delighted to be here and and and to add value
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um yeah kill everyone I'm I'm Cruz P um as mentioned earlier I'm BR son uh
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so originate from the far north uh through through his his side and then my mom's from the East Coast py from a
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small place called to just in between um so yeah
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um I post it down in three workshops in vernham and I'm a electrical fit by
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trade um yeah
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that's oh
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uh so I'm Hino I also hail from the north uh I'm a I'm a muray Yates Bergen
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Bowman and I'm a Child and Adolescent psychiatrist I work in a range of
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settings at Starship hospital where we have a Adolescent and patient unit for
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some of the most seriously mentally unwell young people in the upper part of tear Maui and we have a mother baby unit
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there too I work in youth forensics writing Court reports uh and I've just
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in the last couple of months started a primary mental health clinic atua in Kay
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so uh working alongside our GPS up at home which is which is just wonderful to
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be useful uh right in the thick of it in now in our K and it's an absolute privilege and
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honor to be here today uh for this very special
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one thank you everyone for uh your
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introductions yeah uh so from here let's uh get into
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our topic uh and we'll ask again H if she can introduce our topic for us
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today so uh when I was thinking about and when I think about this Copa of wua
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it can feel quite ephemeral it can feel uh difficult to to get a grip on to
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start to describe and so for me like like many of us I go back to the stories
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of our of our old people of our forbears and and one very famous saying is is uh
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help to me and I I hope is helpful to our discussion and that comes from one of our very famous Chiefs from Moody
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Fina uh from tatawa and his name is pora
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and he made a really useful and important statement he was in a battle
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and uh his wife fataa was protecting uh her her cousin taka's body takaka was
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another very famous warrior from up home and when pora saw his wife's bravery and
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courage and protecting her cousin's body he immediately stopped the
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fighting and he said
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this so what he's saying there is the tide can come up kti that's when the
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tide comes in big tide uh the tide can go out and the the
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line um he made the Line in the Sand can be
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washed away by the tide but the W of his intention of the deep significance of
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his drawing that Line in the Sand to say okay enough is enough this side is going
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to be topot and that side's going to be T we're going to stop fighting that
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intention uh his wua persists until until now and will
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persist into the future so for me I think that's a very practical
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embodiment of how we might start to think about all the ways that we
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W well they put some context to it eh
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and I thought also fitting because you know this is about um our service people
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who are very much preparing for a range of activities which do include uh the
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idea of some sort of conflict and and managing conflict so I thought that was a also a useful context for our
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discussion
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today well why I guess when we hear that we think of this topic around
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and this how does that resonate and how does
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that sit with us uh what are the things that we think about uh and maybe some of
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our own Journeys uh our own lived
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experiences that we've had these kind of impactful profound moments of what wua
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is certainly our had this profound moment uh
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with with and drew a line but regardless of
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where that line was the intention that sacred intention
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of still remained yeah
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anyone uh and thank you for sharing that pako I think that one of the special
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things that we have as T maldi is that we're able to leverage into a lot of those uh with pako the faki all the
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likes you know that invokes WIA so I guess when I I I look at the word w i i
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sort of break that word down the why the way so I guess for me when we look at a
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w in its uh natural sense means you know spiritual real ity when an actual fact
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when we break it down and this like this is with anything to Mali what does it mean to the individual how do we unpack
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that as an individual so when I look at w you know that's all about space and
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time um you know the transition of it it's in you know why in you know the
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same as why why water and I heard that sort of U you know enacted in your
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cordor as well the value of water and the effect of water when it comes to uh
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our Wier knowing that you know water makes up a big percentage of who we are
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how that works within a frequency space you know when uh things aren't so good but when things are you know going well
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it impacts uh you know not only the water but the H and and the in the T as well
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when I look at the KOA you know for me it it means uh there's a balance there's a form of
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balance there and I sort of brought up earlier so my balance is is my Papa you know and I look at those things
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of M and Dad arangi and papa so I I you know that's how I sort of and it's with
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a lot of our ouru is you know I guess the deeper meaning is is when you
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actually break it down but what does it actually mean to you as an individual and I guess for each and every one of us
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you know or all have different which is the beautiful thing about the way piece
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um I know way I've spent you know 33 years now within the
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organization uh examples of of what I've seen with wer and you know returning up to work
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and just taking that first glance you know at at at the human the human makeup
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and we all know this through our leadership you know something's not right and that's or the effec of
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way um I've seen it on operations as well um and it's I guess it's not just
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conducive to the human nature but it's also to the environment as well um you
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know and I guess that's just a normal sort of uh M sort of t m view that we
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have with a lot of that stuff anyway so I I guess that's sort of my initial sort of sort of cord about W who um
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yeah I come in with a bit more of a share the cordal uh and you know and it's good to
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have our younger generation here as well to to share in the c um
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yeah I'll hand it over to
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yeah um yeah I guess for me is um yeah you
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know during my you know time serving in the military I joined in 2018
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um you know when I initially came in I you know I went through my fair uh
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challenges um you know initially
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so I guess I went through a whole um journey of you know why do I
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know how it was somewhat impacted um because like for me why do I
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speaks you know it's not their spiritual as um but more more or less is um feel
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wi has that um that uh that connection value if
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that's fair to say to our tea and our environment so you know when I came in I
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I that was missing for me and I really found it hard to find
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that connection um which in turn you know my wa toer um you know to be a part
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of my unit at the time um so those were the kind of yeah
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difficulties I I was faced with um mainly around that connection piece so
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um there's so many stories um but I'd rather just sum it up by saying that
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more less in highlighting you know the connection um so it goes on and on I
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thought I'd just touch on you know the connections to our t on so on you know
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to to the you know the others as we speak in out so yeah yeah I think that's all I
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want to say for now perhaps you know we could elaborate on
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that good if I could add to that um briefly uh because that really speaks to
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some um Monga that was shared with me by one of the amazing coar from tidar mster
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RE and he was part of um a group supporting me when I was doing some um laho in my
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doctorate about traumatic brain injury actually and we went around different U
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marai and listened to the fukar on the marai and um one of the things that um M
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amster said was that that this is about connectivity
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like like what you're just saying Cruz that actually we we do think of Wu as
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our spiritual aspect a spiritual aspect of our identities and and and Papa amster said
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yes he agreed with that and somehow that can because the the word spiritual is in English has certain
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resonances that might make it seem packaged up in the sense of pakia
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culture that actually he was saying look we need to think of why do it is this
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connectivity between us as tangata Fina
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T Mai and everything in the universe and so the wua gives us this uh
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conduit this uh sense of energy flow that connects us to everything else and
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that's that's quite a a massive idea I think I mean I love that idea because
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when I talk with farno about how they're being affected by whether it's a brain injury to the to the kickle kickle of
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the brain or whether it's a psycholog iCal injury of trauma then it's it's actually an idea
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that a lot of Faro found really useful because that helps them
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conceptualize the the profound level of um difficulty that they're going through
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because that sense of connectivity has been frayed or has been fractured or D
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damaged in some way and so then we can say well if there's something affecting
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the way we can and bring our cultural resources forward to uh to help to heal
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that so if there's a cultural injury in the W realm we need to bring cultural
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resources to assist with that so I thought that just fitted in maybe um alongside what you were saying Cruz Nam
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yeah K yeah I'm gonna add to that also
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uh I guess for me as a as a Christian Minister uh as a young person growing up
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I was raised by my grandparents uh they from the
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north uh but they were a part of the urban drift and they uh went to Kura where the
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assimilation of English uh was uh forced upon them and they were
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indoctrinated to believe that Tah
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they migrated through the urban drift into uh the
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suburbs and so when I was raised speaking to the Marty learning my
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Marty Heritage it it it wasn't insal to me
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uh but as a teenage kid I was 15 years old I found my myself in this this
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church and uh I was introduced to things spiritual while I was there and so then
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as I came through the ministry I learned these things about
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how I am made up of spirit soul and body
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and for me to connect with things in the spiritual realm uh I had to come to the
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these this understanding and these experiences but then when I joined the New Zealand Army uh 2011 this is where I
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was introduced to my M Heritage to my culture and this is where
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I was introduced to W to Modi and learning about and feeling this
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connection with not just these spiritual things through uh
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Christian lens but also this connection with my Tupa this connection with my fua uh
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going back up home having this connection with and so uh this is where I
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discovered my mar and when we talk
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about the aspects of w and and
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culture spiritual things and identity things yeah uh that's certainly what what what
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resonates with me in that space in the cordor that we're hearing about way to
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and certainly Brent gave a wonderful explanation of uh the the the PO
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W yeah yeah I I think you're absolutely right we I guess when we look at our
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Generations we we share the same thing in terms of what our parents what our
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Kon Mama endured during their time and as a protective measure they were always
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told you know why you know it's a different world outside and then perhaps you know as we
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came through our journey and I I must admit that you know uh provided that platform to allow
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me to um to to find you
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know within that space and then the opportunities that existed
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overtime with the with the different roles and sort of the upkeep of
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everything to Mali was really bestowed to me at that time the W from those that
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returned from Singapore and they had a real strong culture um and it really manifested and
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we saw that straight away when we came in as part of the indoctrination into at that time one battalion the first Royal
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New Zealand Infantry Regiment um and so you know that that motive was strong the waterer was just a
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you know just all a part and parcel of everything to M and so um that you know as a second
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language learner over time you know my mom my grandmother they would see and and I'd
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hear their M you know oh you know we did an injustice to you and watching you
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sort of grow and and and build that capacity again and this was a lonely Journey for you and that respect and I
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know every journey is different for each and every one of us but I knew there had to be a time where you know I I I had to
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do that for myself not only myself but knowing that you know the future success of you
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know Generations that come through I'm just so proud you know
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that you just take that first step and just to see how it sort of manifest into
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our subsequent U Generations you know my children you know and I'm I'm very lucky
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now I've got a m and so I guess those things that were sort of as as jonno
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sort of uh uh explained those things that weren't good for our people back at
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a specific period in time when we look at it now and then you could argue oh well yeah called to action E I think as
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an individual response um we can see that happening now we we've taken something there
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uh and we brought it into the nail piece and we wanted you it's Papa you
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know as Cruz brought up we wanted their Papa to be enduring you know and
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and with that Papa we're the personification of all our at Mii and I say you know when I was on the Rugby
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field I am to M when I'm trying to do an rfl I do call on T Mar but he doesn't
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really help me that much um you know when I go diving you know I am tangara
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you know we are the personification of our in it through POA
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and yeah so yeah I I and I do thank the
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organization for again sort of allowing me and then I guess the bigger piece was
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we all make a choice in terms of where we want to go I guess that was the wer that was just so strong in me knowing
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that we had a beautiful culture and I wanted to know more about it and you know and the journeys never ending and
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I'm always learning as I go um even from our young people learning so much from
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our young people as well yeah and I guess we we've talked
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about you know kind of our journeys of Discovery and to wait on so
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you you just spoke about uh you knew your your we to was strong
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how do you continue and how do we continue to strengthen our we to
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what are some of the things that we do uh as
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Marty if I could perhaps sort of jump in again one of the best um platforms we
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have and you hear it every time when our young people turn up to coopa is Capa
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Haka Kaa Haka you know the reason they turn up oh I want to feel my way to a
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when to fill my cup and you'll hear that from every individual they just want to
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get back and then and then you just you just have to look at at at what kapahaka sort of
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provides you know whether it's a mattini stage or whether it's a naho stage whether we're doing it domestically here
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whether we're doing it on operations overseas that's the personification and
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you you you'll see it with everyone where they Heir oh man I had this fairy feeling I say quite a way to you know
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for those that haven't experienced it before and um yeah Kaka as as we know
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that have been in in that realm you know the ability to change through each item
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you know and the motive state that comes with it as well you know you got a
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you're coming out you know whether it's you're coming out in battle mode that then transcends
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into and and then you know coming in to get back into battle mode again
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inak that's the that's a beautiful thing about um you know that's just one and
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that's probably perhaps uh a more key one that we see sort of um operationalized within our
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organization
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yeah else want to jump in there
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yeah hey
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yeah you you go for it Cruz yeah I'll just touch on what what P
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was saying um around you know C Haka that cultural element in terms of strengthening my way to that's
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definitely what um worked for me was being down here in Burnham so I've been here for 3 years and um I don't know if
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most of you know but um the culture element well you know tell mildy down
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here isn't the strongest so um and I'm just checking this out there and it's you I think it's all good um so for me
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you know naturally I was that guy you know the unofficial culture if that's fair to
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say so for me I was like yeah P this is awesome I I will absolutely do it anything and everything um you know
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growing up you know and then went to hot so tend to um hold on to you know um my
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moldy Tong coming into adult life so yeah once I was here was that stuff when I was
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given the opportunity it was like you know t or P of course you know that fulfilled my way to my C his dad Seas um
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but the there were moments here and there where like what would affect my
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wer what yeah what would affect my wers you know hearing the comments of
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H got to do H practice I don't want to do it I'm going to book an appointment you know and when I'm the sole person
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running it and then you know you hear these um you know C you know you hear these cord going around you're kind of
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like oh wow you know reverting back to what I said I'm
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not getting this connection with my Cru here so um those are some of the things that I've dealt with in the past um and
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and find it interesting because um you know it's like well how do I get around
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this you know what what what can I do or you know what can we do as an organization to um you know breach these
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gaps um that's feir um but yeah that's one piece um besides from that of yeah
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it's been some awesome times like actually recently we had um the C's
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farewell um was given the honor to lead the HCK and farewell him and oh wow like
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that was yeah that was close to like if not in power of you know going on a mtin
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stage as well cuz I don't know that W or that was going around yeah no words they
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just c um so yeah just de you as well
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yeah I think CA you know is definitely so incredibly uplifting on on that whole
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other way to a level it just excites every part of our being doesn't it it
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because it's a portal that holds faka Papa it holds PCO it holds all the
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stories and the magic of all the different disciplines of the Performing
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Arts of w as you said Mata po Haka uh and and so it's it's a for many
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of us it's such a a great way to get a dose of w mildy
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you know to really feel o and and to see how visible it's becoming and how um
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more accessible it's becoming on on social media is just fantastic and and
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there are you know everyone's got their own uh particular entry point if you like so
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for so we we were before the before the thing before the webinar we were talking about diving and you know I always think
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about Kai from home can be another source of uh way to P just a reminder
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because when we eat Kai from home we're reminded maybe of our our uh childhood
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or special moments we had with Al farno where we ate that sort of Kai and whether we're really into K it takes us
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back to to maybe the first time we had Kenna when we were really young or um special special hary where we celebrated
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things as fin so that's that can be another another um entry point and being
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in the tile being doing wama is another one that um I I so enjoy and um that's a
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it's a great way to be connected to other people especially for me um getting out on the wer with other W Mali
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and we can share our own stories and support each other in our own way and then afterwards we always go for Kai and
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have a you know just have a bit of a giggle and a bit of a light-hearted bentor you know life gets so serious you
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need a bit of an outlet our humor is an amazing part of our W door uh our moldy
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humor is so unique and we really get each other you know without with our
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form of bent to that often people from other cultures aren't too sure but often
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this is such a such a heartwarming thing when we we really experience our own
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humor people getting out the guitar um having a sing along uh and and bringing
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to life these other uh entry points through pipa through learning the stories from home and that's why for me
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working with with our people who are experiencing mental illness and distress
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and and who are suffering in that kind of pain we know we see the evidence of you using these forms of you know
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showing people uh cers on on Instagram or playing way from YouTube showing
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stories getting out books um taking people up their own Monga taking people
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to see their hour even get in their hour and experience those sort of things reclaiming our these are all k for the W
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um to to fuel Us in this really complex society that we're trying to navigate
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and hold true to our our um our mold
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identities as you were saying M you know our you know our our mom and grandfather
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they they struggled uh with the rules around not being allowed to speak to Al
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maldi and school and being punished for that so we are we're part of almost s transitional generations and we can see
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the evidence of of fruits of those labors coming through in next Generations and
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certainly um you know we see this in the in the service people in the nzdf now
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and how to as you say Cruz how to strengthen that how to keep it accessible when people might for
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whatever reason feel it's not necessarily a priority uh at different times but to
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make sure that it's always available and always a rich source of nourishment for the w
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I guess one of the other things too that I sort of Drive is you know W isn't you
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know conducive to just mildy so everything I do in within a town mildy
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space we're always seeking what are those similarities across other cultures um and they do exist one of the
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exciting things now that I see is um our marai platforms that are now being recognized
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as a place to deal and help with uh with mental health um and and and that sort
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of you know that it's nothing new for us as T Mal we've known that stuff for for a long
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time um but you know the incremental changes so perhaps from 30 years ago to
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where we are now you know while there're still a A Long Way Forward um we
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starting to see how these sort of um you know our service m i plan integral peace
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in terms of bringing you know that whole water you know back to not just in I
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guess one thing we're recognizing now it's not just for maldi we're getting a lot of other cultures that are coming to the Mari and I you where uh to talk uh
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but uh just want to introduce yourself to the panel and uh share maybe some of
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your journey around what was why means to
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in uh thank you for that and my apologies for for joining just a little
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bit late why do I um I did manage to hear a
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little bits uh as as a guest and
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um but I even did a little bit of research to see if what I was thinking was actually right and and going back to
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to the creation of the first uh Y where was the
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tana and then the put in
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the um where am I
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going the M into uh the tana and then
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out of that came the wi so the the essence so I I'll just leave it there
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and um but for me why why do it
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exist uh for me from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep and
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then even in now mo mo are it it likely has an effect there but
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things like um I'm working in health at the moment
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and and for me it's our people who who ma
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Wei but it's not just their T it's their it's their very much their wi and it's
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not the it's not that the the ailment or the sickness is
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affecting the Wier but they themselves are feeling affected because they can't
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contribute they can't produce they feel uh embarrassed that they that they are
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not back at work and that so I think um some of our our health issues sort of
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Lies when when that wi drops because they're not back with their with their people doing pulling
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the load along with them knowing that they're pulling the load for them um so I'm not too sure if that sort
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of brings into context of what what what uh what everyone has talked about from
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from from what I sense and it's and I did hear a snippet and
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uh uh the brother for for the Coro around all cultures if if we if we for
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me if I think about the W as as the fle that you feel every day then that has to
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Encompass everyone because you're bringing it back into on an individual sort of level removing removing all the
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uh external sort of biases and and that that that can sort of
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stigmatize that this particular group may be better at this group of doing
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this or actually they just they do the same thing but in a slightly different way and and it's how do we get our
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people to connect to that so so K hopefully I didn't go on too
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long yeah um I just want to jump in there around this what strengthens
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white uh the pen obviously uh
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talented uh with f and and and wa and I leave that up
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to uh but for me I was raised to do martial arts and
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uh and as so as an 8-year-old kid um
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doing martial arts and have been doing martial arts for 34 years I I think about those times
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where uh you have to dig deep and the the physical component you
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L on the ground cuz uh someone kicked you into a brick wall uh and that could
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be a metaphor uh that was literal for me uh
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and the hanging utle is struggling because uh this is
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tough and uh so what is it that get you back up and you have to dig deep and uh
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so it was that waiter that got me up and so now as a grandm of martial arts is an
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eth degree Blake Bel uh and also picking up the rco in the last couple of
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years uh yeah
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and the that Raco has also provided for me
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greater identity uh and yeah I like scrapping
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so well hey and I do know I'm a minister but
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uh yeah
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anyway looking after myself my partner and my and and other people we're living
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it that yeah so yeah that that that Roo has certainly opened up a new world for
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me around digging deep what it is to uh
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feel like actually when uh my back is up against the
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wall what is it that gets me to to uh that next
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level how how how do I transition from this kind of uh
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this this natural plane into something that is
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Supernatural and it it's only through that weor that that I've been able to be
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able to do that and uh I wonder if that is uh a segue into you know why is
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waor so important for our health and
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well-being well Haku the W do is the two of everything it's number one and so
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that's why I you know we have all sorts of models of of hura of
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Ora and they're all you know they all have strengths and they all have some challenges and so but for me no matter
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what framework we might like to use or prefer to
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use the the fundamental aspect of Wu as the two our Papa of the foundation of
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everything to do with our health I think that's that's the key and that's certainly something that's come through in in my whole career in various bits of
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research and working with alfano every day uh in various settings and so I'm I'm always
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interested in prevention of mental distress and disharmony and a sense of
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discomfort and pain so I'm interested in how we take what we learn from when people are not doing well and make sure
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we Infuse it so that people's everyday lives when they when we're doing relatively well can be enhanced by a
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sense of what are the things I can do every day to really strengthen my sense of w that's protective so that I'm at
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less risk of developing problems of course the world is becoming more and more complex and challenging but if we
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can really lift ourselves up and whether it's through Capas wakama through
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kakia Kai uh different Kai from the from from home or whether it's being out in
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nature nature whatever brings us that sense of connectivity is is I think a
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really makes why do we so important and also how we talk about and educate
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ourselves about how to tune in to those to those feelings that are hard to
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articulate the funny feeling in your poku when you just know something's wrong and because often in in
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hierarchical systems like nzdf like in medicine like in many any of our Alo
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structures our marai committees wherever we are in life there's a picking order
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and so for some of us who are who are not at you know the the top of the of
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the of the ladder it might feel difficult to say you know something's
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not quite right I can feel it and so I think how we Empower our our whole
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organization from at all levels for people to speak up and say something feels a bit off our W for me and then to
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really pay attention to that because I think when when we don't value that kind of um intelligence and data we are
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risking the W being um affected in a negative way so I suppose for me th
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those are a couple of Reflections about why W DOA is so
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critical if I I can just jump in and add to that because that's obviously that's
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that's awesome qual it's it's also the prioritizing of the need to to lift wide
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and and what I mean by that is because it's not tangible because it can't be seen it can often be considered as
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something that's not of a high priority where if somebody twists an ankle if somebody has a s or something
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it's tangible and you'll commit the time to it and and and now people will see that until they fully
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recover but when when when the your W is
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is down and that how do you explain that to your bosses how do you explain that to your
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friends that I need to prioritize something here I need to step away I need to do this for this reason and it's
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accepted because until we get over that hurdle
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um we we will be challenge with getting them to the space that they need to lift
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that
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Wier I I think that is a sort of an important piece um you know W do I think you know
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any sort of change in Behavior you know is an effect on
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W so I don't really see that as perhaps a um
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difficult thing to sort of comprehend is that everything sort of um you
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know U from from a health perspective anyway and I I to your for with how do
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you measure that with um the physical aspects you know I guess that's why we
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do have the sort of f to of fire to sort of educate people in terms of bringing
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them in line but I I don't think you would find a lot of people that perhaps don't prescribe to understanding what w
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is it's sort of just unpacking from a m context again it comes back into this
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what are the similarities absolutely in terms of how does it affect you know the the Hing ID
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so I I I think you know and this is from my uh I'm I'm not a a medical
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practitioner but um you know sometimes our mildy Solutions are quite simple you
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know simple to enact um you know I think what we're talking is how do we bring everyone else
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and to try and perhaps making them understand you know what our values are
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what do we prescribe to and I think that that is the challenge when we look at a physical nature and then with Mali we
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know there's the metaphysical and everything that we do as well and I know perhaps sometimes that's the hurdle that
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we were always trying to uh to bring people into that world as part of that
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understanding but yeah I think W as well you know um it's everything we do for me
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and know and I like to it's about leadership when we go into any situation
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we know when we go as a leader you know what are we going to expect we walk into
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a room we can feel that way to you know when we uh you know and things will always change accordingly uh to make
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sure we get best effect and we get the right result and we've all been faced
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with um adversity but it it's how you take that adversity and always project it back
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into a positive space that's certainly something that I do you know when you walk into a room and and and this is not
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being sort of he you know when you walk into a room and and you radiate
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when you come into a room and people just feel your M they feel everything about you is
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pure um and I heard before when we're talking about and it was wonderful
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hearing jonno because I know he's the uh the grandmas and he loves martial arts
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but that all ties back with identity we all have different identities you know my identity here as the Ki is different
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to my identity at home as a husband it's different to my identity as as as a a
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Kur is a grandfather to my M and so those are the different drivers where
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you could argue they all you'll get wher shifts based on your identity based on
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your purpose based on your values for each and every one of those identities I think um you know
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leadership uh within the organization um again it's it's an ongoing journey in
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terms of and you know what I can say is a lot of them are perhaps coming to the
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four of understanding you know why do I in a lot of different concepts and you
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know specifically as well you know I spoke before before was a those platforms that we have in terms of our M
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to provide that within a uh I guess a mental health space is now how do we
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sort of and it's already happening but how do we make that uh um you know
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people more aware that hey El eyes are absolutely you know one of the key
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places to go to to help with that our Mar our churches you know and how how do
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we sort of manifest that um in the meaningful way you know so we feel
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authentic about everything we do to our M you know authenticity is is is key for
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me yeah I hando over talking too
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much I heard a little snippet about where you uplift your
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wi um I find that when I when my wi was
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uplifted sometimes it comes as a surprise I end up in a place and where
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where I would think you know how did I how did my way to uplift here what what is what is
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around me that's so I I think sometimes um our our our body will just do it for
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us before we even know it's been it's happening um and so it's it's hard to
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it's hard to sort of uh maybe prescribe a journey for someone it's but just to
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be there for that someone um and and just go on the journey and then the wi you know it may
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may take you to where you need to go I can give you a quick example of that
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so when you were speaking earlier Mata you mentioned um people who came back from Singapore from from nzdf and so
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immediately I thought of my Uncle Rick Bowman and my Auntie rata M who were in
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Singapore in Malaya and who I visited when I was a young girl in the late 1970s and so immediately my wer was
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uplifted in a way that I hadn't expected so yeah the the names or the the
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connections with those that um are no longer with us the F POA that is held
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within nzdf is incredibly powerful in in all the the juicy wua um K that it holds
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uh in unexpected ways so I thank you so much for that cord earlier Mata because
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it really um it lifted my w well within this webinar and as I'm sure there'll be
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unexpected things that people hear saying that will you know the power of that hokim
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mahara um of of thoughts that will just latch on to various words or stories
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that we've told that we hadn't expected would spark the wer for others who are
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listening and watching the webinar I think one of the key areas that we're starting to see now that is
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being normalized is through through our sessions you know
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all that sort of stuff and and you're right when they're going around individually around the room and and and
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and doing their Pepa and doing what they're all about there's always a connection there with it's oh hey I
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don't know you were from my CA you're from my area you're from my my Hau my ewi and you're absolutely right that
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straight away you know uh invokes wer you're like oh you know and and and as I
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say it's not normally do it's at the cup of tea time that you uh you leverage off
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it and no absolutely right and that is one of the key mechanisms that we look
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at now in terms of driving those Norms within the organization in terms of
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making our leadership understand and they do understand now the importance of connecting right at the start before you
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begin your cuper so yeah absolutely
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looking at our time at the moment F uh I wonder if uh if we can look at wrapping
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things up uh and maybe uh we'll have uh H more uh leave us with some final words
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uh before we have our to uh bring closes in Al I've really enjoyed how C it all
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today and uh connecting with everyone again uh yeah and and want to thank uh
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integrated Wellness for uh hosting this webinar and our our
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cordor uh in support of uh lens as we uh promate this message
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out to oh okay
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well first just to say this has definitely lifted my way to strengthened my way to and being part of this forar
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and part of a range of activities that are happening through nzid which is so
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exciting to witness and um no doubt you know there will be there will be more
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there will be more offerings in a similar vein I suppose just to to come
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back to Pora and to think about the line in the say that he drew in the The W do
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aign and to um think about all the the lessons that might be held in that
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particular fakar which help us think about wua it's also about lines that we
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draw our way to our boundaries that we have it's about our UA as as has been
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mentioned by um Mata Brent and also the the stories that we share about the
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the leaders of of Times Gone by many of them were um fighters in different
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ways um whether they were designated Warriors or they were fighting in other
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copopa they were they were people that we're all descended from and so I think we can draw great strength in our own
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wer as representatives of uh our old people alive right now to to draw
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strength from that that wer
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with oh yeah hey look so uh yeah thank you very much you know um man we we
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could sit here for days and so uh I'm I'm quite sad that we're cut for time
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now but uh you we're just getting on a r but
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yeah and you know the ability to meet and discuss and deliberate but um yeah I
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look forward to um you know I guess successive initiatives of this nature nature to occur and um you know I guess
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you look around the organization now there's Mutual support going on um everywhere um yeah and it's just a
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matter of of just bringing one in together say there's visibility and Good Will about everything that's going
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